Tanks are fine

Swarms are fine

Forge guns are fine

AV grenades too

As an AV guy, I can say that there have been MANY tanks I could not destroy. There have also been MANY I have destroyed in a couple seconds. No more complaining

Was there a point to this post besides some biased sentiment that your own roll is fine ?

AV nades either need there own skill progression with higher SP cost or reduced homing. It's not balanced.

Whats with all the 'Infantry only gamemode' talk and the random nerf on tank passive resistance and speed modules?

I want you to run head on to a c-2 leopard and throw a Grenade at it, tell me how it goes

A fuking grenade should do the damage it does to a TANK a 1/4 lb object vs a 120,000 lb tank
I see no balance

lol, I know a few LAV guys, but they'll tell you first hand how easy it is to blow them up. May take an extra nade but you have 3. Takes quiet a bit of SP and ISK to get a decent LAV fit - takes nothing to kill it almost lol.

that should only matter in hisec instant battle games
uncapped grps in FW and PC should be everything allowed

if there is Ambush in FW then it should be OMS and not vanilla

AV Grenades are OP as they stand atm. AV Nades should be a Supplement.......not a GoTo as it devalues the Main AV Weapons. & the Range & Homing is obscene. Try jumping before a toss, & even w/o jumping you can 1/4 Map toss on most Ambush Maps. Bowl??? 1/2 to 2/3 Map tosses w/o jumping. Mind you this is Packed AV........god forbid I try tossing Sleeks, lol. Damage needs a Nerf for obvious reasons. When Damage Mods get fixed (If........) the Forges & Swarms will be ineffective compared to the George Foreman Grill of AV which never had nor needed Mods to rival most Main AV Weapons. Why not be both Infantry & AV Efficient @ all times??? Spec AV??? LOL!!!!!!! Save SP, spec Nades, WIN.

Splitting the community and putting up rails to some saying you can't go here because of the way you spent your sp is never a good idea.

AV nades - need the seeking feature removed from it, its a crutch

Swarms - should have to maintain lock on to hit target instead of fire and forget

I like this idea. They could also make Homing variants that do less damage and have a slower throwing speed.

And AV grenades are useless against anything but vehicles.
And they take PG and CPU that could be used to fit better modules.
And you have to be close enough to throw a grenade near the target.

AV grenades are not a substitute for swarms or forge guns. They are a backup primarily useful against LAVs.

If you get a squad who are all holding AV grenades within throwing range of a tank, and if that tank is unescorted by infantry, and if the tank has no line of retreat, then you will destroy the tank. This does happen, but eight times out of ten, it's because the tank driver put himself in a vulnerable position or the squad decided to suicide bum rush the tank and managed to get behind it without being noticed.

This AV homing vs. not homing argument is a distraction. The tank drivers who want AV nerfed want to be able to waltz around the battlefield with no threats whatsoever because they've convinced themselves that their 2,000,000 ISK tank shouldn't be destroyed by anything other than another 2,000,000 ISK tank.

That isn't the way things work in real life, and it's not the way things work here. If you can't deal with that, then the solution is to stop using tanks, not appeal for rule changes in your favor.

I am not a tanker. I'm a Heavy. And AV nades carried by all members in a squad is indeed a replacement for main AV weapons.

i love when ppl with 0 knowledge on vehicle vs vehicle/AV play talk like this.

1. takes 2 swarm volleys to down an armor tank without any hardeners active
2. rails overheat after 3 shots, the rof is 2.2 secs per shot about the same as a FG, lol @ blaster suggestion
3. MD is fine for the most part u rarely see them, why are u comparing MD to an AV nade in an AV vs Vehicle discussion?
4. AV homing is ez mode same as Swarms, if u think tankin is that easy then take it out for a spin get in some tank v tank fights

So as u can see dubbs ur suggestions are extremely terrible and its coming from an AR Assault bias pov and not from an overall game balance pov.

Swarms need to maintain a lock but naturally the speed of the rockets will be a bit faster and possibly a slight dmg increase to compensate. Check Noc's post on it.

Shield Hardeners are complete joke atm and need a buff
Armor Hardeners are fine, slower tank that is meant more for defensive capabilities and ability to stay in a hotzone for a while

Even with hardeners on it doesnt give u much "tankin" ability as well. Maybe nubs should realise that the free/militia grade AV is garbage and stop using it?

Ppl complain and QQ about tanks sitting in the redzone yet u want to take away their defensive abilities more and wonder WHY alot of tankers sit in the gayest spots far away then QQ about it. When tanks were actually tanks and could take some hits u never had all this gay hill campin an **** u had ppl moving and supporting infantry but god forbid 1 guy cant solo a tank and cries about it enough to get it where we at today then they complain when they get sniped from the redline from a tank they now have no chance to reach so yea GG community.

u do know there is not much different between standard and marauder tanks right?
also AV nades do more dmg to armor tanks so its actually very easy to take armor tanks down with some AV nade spam, shield tanks take less dmg to explosive dmg so common sense would tell ppl use flux and see how quick u can get some shields down but alas flux takes some skill to use since it doesnt auto lock on the vehicle so ppl dont use it as much as they should on shield tanks

Do you run tanks ? No. Than stop writing non-sense comments.
I do run both tanks in my main and AV in my alt and with AV nades its pretty easy to spam and kill the tank since you dont need to aim, you just throw and it deals ridiculous damage.

It wasn't the tanks but the missiles that were OP and needed a nerf. Nerf happened...

What you see now are tankers complaining about AV equipment and infantry defending their AV counters.